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Rx for Writers |
"Publishing Paths and Where They Take You”
with Jan Fields
July 26-28, 2010
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Jan Fields began here writing career in newspaper work and then magazines targetting adults. Her credits in that area include Teddy Bear and Friends, Single Parent Family, and National Doll World. Her love of kids and crafts eventually lead her into children's writing where she's written extensively for magazines and has done books for toy companies, craft companies, and educational publishers. She's also the webeditor for both the Institute of Children's Literature and for Kid Magazine Writers eMagazine. |
Jan Fields is moderator of this interview/workshop, and Web Editor of the ICL Web Site.
Green shows names or usernames of people and the questions they asked of our speaker.
chippy: So Jan, welcome to the workshop. BRING ON THOSE QUESTIONS!
Jan Fields:
Glad to be here! It feels strange being the workshop leader instead of just hanging out. But I'll do my best. Now for questions.
mmmgood: Are there magazines out there that are geared toward teens, but don't have only basically gossip, fashion, sports, or adventure in them? Specifically, I'm looking for a home for some light-hearted poetry that is written with teens in mind.
Jan Fields:
Teen poetry in magazines is hard hard hard...edging dang close to impossible to sell. Teen magazines that run poetry (like Cicada) normally run poetry written by teens. Honestly, that's one I just couldn't tell you. That's a vicious market because teens interested in poetry normally are reading poetry for adults (if they read it at all...lots of them don't read it, they just write it) and writing it themselves. I would try Cricket (and if they feel it is too teen, they'd consider it for Cicada). Also you need to check out LITERARY MAGAZINES (which are outside the children's market guide). Often they're read by older teens and might be interested. There is a list of literary magazines here: http://www.newpages.com/literary-magazines/ -- I don't know if they're being updated regularly but it's a place to start. Don't be put off by them being "literary" as many will look at humor. I've seen humor in lit mags attached to colleges.
mmmgood: Jan, is there a reasonable method for finding a good “fit” for any given manuscript we’ve written? When I set aside time for market research, I get quickly overwhelmed. There are so many magazines, so many publishing houses, so many e-zines, so many contests … I often feel like I’m drowning, and then I don’t get anywhere. So my poems, short stories, articles, and manuscripts sit silently on their bums, waiting for me to get my act together.
Jan Fields:
I was quickly overwhelmed by market guides and the like when I was switching from writing for newspapers to writing for magazines. The market guides are a little overwhelming. I began in my market guide by taking a highlighter (something not yellow) and drawing a big X through all the markets I totally would never have an interest in writing for -- or that I just COULDN'T write for because they only use material from kids or teachers or people in Canada. That quickly winnowed down a lot of magazines and made the remaining seem a lot less overwhelming. Plus, using a highlighter means you CAN still read the listing if your interests or circumstances change.
Jan Fields:
Then I read my market guide a page at a time with a notebook. I would read the listing. Highlight things I needed to remember. Then I visit the website and read it. I might even PRINT pages to go in my notebooks (like the submission guidelines). If I print out the submissions guidelines, I make a printed note of that in my market guide like (SG 7/26/10). Now that I've read the entire website (read it even if they DON'T have guidelines...make your own list of things you saw about the magazine. It might include things like -- very bouncy up tone, short sentences, page to parents emphasizes "positive self image" and "tools for succeeding") then once I'm done. I make a list of things I could imagine someone writing and selling for that magazine.
Jan Fields:
By only doing a single page at a time...I eventually work through the market guide (you'll be amazed how fast crossing out the stuff you really don't want to write or can't write will make the guide more manageable.) Now since I did this exact proceedure for ONE guide...when I update my guides, I won't need to do nearly this much work. I can transfer my Xs and do a quick look-over for changes...check to see if the guidelines are updated on the site, but I'd already know the magazine pretty well. Even NOW when I'm really not writing much for magazines, I still check magazine guidelines regularly and keep my guide up to date.
mmmgood: Do you generally sit down to write with a specific publisher in mind? Until recently, all my writing has been popped-into-my-head driven, assignment-driven, prompt-driven, etc. I wrote my last couple of pieces with specific magazines in mind. That seems like a reasonable tactic, but we'll see. If rejected, I'll be faced with the "now what?" dilemma. I know the next step would be to rewrite, but that seems daunting to me. Probably because I’m not a quick/quality writer. It takes me a while.
Jan Fields:
I tend to write short stories/poetry with a "web" of publishers in mind. For instance, I know that if the story is bright, funny, short, with a male main character, I have SPIDER, JACK AND JILL, THE BLUFFTON GROUP, HIGHLIGHTS, POCKETS as possibilities. Now after I write it, I'll sort them according to which feels MOST likely and then I just buzz down the list one after another until it sells. If it doesn't sell, I leave it on the harddrive until I either figure out what was wrong with it and fix it or decide nothing is wrong with it -- then I let an online magazine have it. If I wrote something for preschoolers, I would have a different "web" in mind: LADYBUG, HIGHLIGHTS, HUMPTY DUMPTY. Generally I try to write at least whimsical because it's just plain eaiser to sell. Plus, I tend to like stories that make me smile when I write them. If I wrote something darker and spookier, then I'm probably looking at Cricket...but some other variables can come in to make other magazines work. And I can tweak a story to make it a better match for a different magazine. But sometimes, something just doesn't sell. I've had some stories I liked a lot that never placed. Poop happens.
mmmgood: What makes you finally decide to give up? A certain number of submissions? Maybe when you flat run out of options?
Jan Fields:
Well, the "gosh, I'm a good marketer" answer is that I give up when I run out of markets. But my REAL answer is that I sometimes quit when I lose interest. When I mail the story to the first pubisher, I'm pumped...then the second one requires a little digging of oomph...then the third will happen eventually. When it comes to keeping something in the pipeline, I'm really really not good. And I always examine the story between submissions to see if I can spot any problems and to tweak it if I need to in order to make a better market match. I write a lot of stuff. And I'm a "love the one you're with" writer. So I do have trouble keeping up the enthusiasm for old stuff. Which is why I recommend creating a plan for each story and really forcing yourself to keep them cycling until you get a bite.
mmmgood: It sounds like the trick (besides having skill/talent) is writing enough and marketing enough to keep the ball rolling. If I have only a handful of short stories/articles/poems I've written, and I keep trying different markets over and over, I'm probably stagnant.
Jan Fields:
Always have something you're working on. And it's good to have more than one thing. If you only have finished work, it's too easy to obsess over what's happening with marketing it. Now if I'm waiting on really big news, I CANNOT seem to get my mind to focus on something fairly complex like a novel but I can go do something like a craft how-to or a quick short verse about frogs. Something that helps me move forward. As soon as you only have the things that are in submission, you'll turn obsessive and that's bad for you.
claudette: I do have a wee question right now. Has there ever been a time in your life where you wrote mostly for adults instead of children? And if so, was it easier or more difficult for you to make a living at it?
Jan Fields:
Well, I have a degree in journalism and started out in newspapers (mostly court reporting and endless political things...argh.) I got out of that as quickly as I could because although I was reasonably good at it and could have made a career right there, I didn't like how it was affecting me. People started pointing out that I was becoming horribly cynical and that's not something I wanted to be.
Jan Fields:
SOOOO...I changed to magazine writing. Now I had ZERO training in magazine writing. I knew how to report and write for newspapers. So I started with magazines I had a strong familiarity with because I honestly didn't know market guides existed. I was that green. So I wrote for magazines that my mom had stacks of (my mom was almost one of those hoader people when it comes to her magazines.). I could read two years of a magazine's issues right there at my mother's house. I read them, got the address and editor off the masthead and sent them a pitch for a possible article. And I did this for all the magazines mom subscribed to. So my opening credits were all over the place -- craft magazines, parenting magazines, and even goofy UFO/ghost enthusist magazines. And editors bite at a lot of the queries and I wrote a lot of articles.
Jan Fields:
Then I discovered magazines about writing at newsstands...and wrote for some...and then found out about magazine market guides. And I worked for a local magazine. And I kept writing. I would work with this core group of magazines (the "mom" magazines I called them because they were the ones I researched at mom's house) and add one magazine at a time. I did all my magazine research at the library, so I only added magazines they had subscriptions to. I couldn't afford to buy my own magazines except for the writing ones.
Jan Fields:
But I built more and more credits and editors started calling me to ask me to write specific things. I got paid more per magazine. I made over $1000 for one piece sometimes. So I did make decent money but it was slow going because (1) I didn't have a computer so all magazine research was done the old fashioned way and all manuscripts with typed on a typewriter. Argh. Plus, (2) I didn't have any connection with other writers. I was totally picking this up on my own. I just did what seemed logical.
Jan Fields:
Today, a lot of adult magazine pay less than they did when I wrote for them...it's been a while. But it's also a lot easier to research them and a HUGE amount easier to create manuscripts and submit them.
Jan Fields:
But overall, writing for adults pays more. If you're writing for kids...it's probably because it's what you really love. I know it is for me.
claudette: One of the things I'm doing now is working on anthology entries for the practice of writing to specific guidelines and deadlines. How much does this help in the long run regarding leaning to freelance successfully?
Jan Fields:
Learning to write fast well is essential to building a full-time career in writing. Which doesn't (by the way) mean that everything you write needs to be written fast -- just that there are things you can write and write well and write fast. So writing to deadline is always helpful because you get used to absoluting demanding of yourself that you meet the deadline. And writing to specific guidelines (and recognizing the value in actually FINDING, READING, and FOLLOWING guidelines) is good for any writer. So those are both good. Plus, anthologies are a valueable part of your "body of work" especially if they're the kinds of stories you want to write.
Jan Fields:
To really have a full time job in writing, you tend to need to be either very eclectic or very specific. I'm more eclectic and that took a long time to build up to a decent yearly income. This year, assuming I meet all deadlines I will have...I should make over $50,000 before my ICL income. If a couple maybe, sorta, probably books deadlines add on...it will be close to a total of $70,000. But that's after a lot of years of building a "body of work" in a huge array of subjects. I can put together a resume that makes me sound like a huge nonfiction writer or a strong fantasy writer or a strong writing for young children. And that took serious time and a lot of magazine work to do. If you're more specific and you really focus on a couple areas, you can reach a decent wage a lot sooner. But it's not overnight. I lived on my writing income when I was single...but I also lived pretty dang lean. It wasn't a "quality of life," I'd want to raise kids in.
claudette: Since creative non-fiction is so asked for now, how critical is it for a writer to at least take one course in that discipline? Would that help the writer throughout his/her career and pay for itself in sales?
Jan Fields:
Creative nonfiction is just a matter of finding the story in the nonfiction. If you're wanting to write it for adults, a course might help as there is a lot of variants on "creative nonfiction" for adult and some of them are only nonfiction-ish. But kids are more cut and dry. It's either totally nonfiction (where you're relating a "real life totally true" story) or it's fiction (historical fiction, science-based fiction, whatever...but fiction). In kids' writing, a lot of nonfiction is creative because you're relating it in a lively (but totally nonfiction) way...but as soon as it crosses the line at all, then you hit serious problems. Kidlit is not as flexible on the creative side...you must be creative WITHIN the scope of being 100% correct.
chippy: Jan, which is the better way to go about publishing, print or ebook? What are the advantages and disadvantages of each?
Jan Fields:
Okay, right now the primary drawback of ebooks for people younger than YA is that kids aren't reading them. Most kids who have independent use of the computer want to use their computer time playing games. Most parents don't want to hand expensive ereaders to kids who just had to have a new mouthpiece bought for their clarinet AGAIN because they bounced it off a floor -- these ereaders we have now CANNOT be bounced against a hard floor. And most parents don't consider curling up with the toddler around the computer or the iPad to be really comparable to sitting with a book. The ebook phenomenon is huge and it's going to make some big changes in adult books soon...already is, in fact. And I expect it's going to make some serious changes in YA books (already pirating is becoming a serious problem for bigger selling YA authors...and that means teens are reading ebooks...otherwise, why pirate them?)
Jan Fields:
Eventually, I think things like Amazon's ebook program will be THE place for writers to sell YA short stories. Teens do read electronic stories. And short stories can sell cheaper than novels because the author is setting the price and doesn't usually need that much. So for genre that teens are really interested in: romance, adventure, thriller, horror -- I think ebooks are going to be THE place for short stories and novellas. Eventually, I believe it may end up being the ONLY place for them.
Jan Fields:
At this point, for the writer of middle grade and younger, I don't think ebooks are going to be even a brightly lit blip for quite a while. Ebook readers are going to have to get REALLY cheap before a parent is going to buy one for a kid when books are cheaper and more durable goods.
Jan Fields:
Here's why I don't think ebooks are going to take over any time soon for younger kids (even though I've heard the arguments that kids will love the enhancements to the text)-- because we've had enhanced text books for a long time and they've not sold all that well. Leap Pad and Vtech has had books that read themselves to you and that play games with you and that teach you stuff for a long while. They're durable durable players. But they never came close to nudging out regular books because kids who want books, want books. And kids who want electronic games, want better games than that. Right now, younger kids are still paper people. And I don't see that changing soon...not from what I've seen of how kids interact with books. They're just different from adults in the way they interact with the media.
Coloradokate: Nathan Bransford writes often, on his blog, about his firm belief that e-books are the books of the future. Me, I worry some about that. For one thing, I think it's elitist--even when the readers come down in price and even if they become more durable, I'm afraid reading will become more expensive, all-in-all, and will further disenfranchise the "have-nots" of the world. And what will schools do? Provide an e-reader for every child? Who's going to pay for that? For another thing, if one day something even mildly apocalyptic happens, making electricity or batteries scarce, books that are only e-books and not also printed on paper will be, well, dead. Hmm. Now, that might be an idea for a little dystopian story, eh?
Jan Fields:
Well, Nathan loves ebooks so that's having an effect on his predictions. Plus, although he wrote a middle grade book, the world he WORKS in as an agent is very much the world of ebooks -- YA and Adult. But I've seen plenty of evidence to believe that for readers younger than YA, the world of ebooks is not going to take over unless parents just stop buying books at all, and publishers do ebooks hoping they become the "thing" for schools. And the reason I don't see ebooks taking over elementary school is because schools are growing poorer, not richer. So they're not going to throw over the present system of having print books that are durable goods year after year, in favor of the relatively easily damaged ereader. If you tear up a book...you have a whole shelf full of other books. But if you tear up a reader, your book-shelf is useless for that user. It would be a hard, hard sell to get lower grade education to pony up for that.
Jan Fields:
Plus, Amazon has "proved" that you're only renting ebooks. They can take them back. (And they did once). So the ebook is a far, far less durable good. I don't see schools getting into that anytime soon for their general literacy collections. I DO think they're going to really strongly impact YA and they may single-handedly bring back the YA short story (a form that is suffering at present) but I doubt they're going to do much for younger kids. Maybe someday, but not the way things are going at present.
storyteller2b: How difficult is it doing book and magazine propsals. How long are they usually and what tips would you give to newbies.
Jan Fields:
First, have a very very firm idea of what you're proposing. When I've written magazine queries for nonfiction that I had not written yet, I already knew what my sources and slant would be. I knew there was enough material to support the article. And I knew at least one person to include as an expert interview. I tend to try always to find an expert because it just makes a piece easier to sell than to make the piece totally the result of reading sources. My query letter was always specific about what I was offering. I wouldn't say, "I'm proposing a piece on the history of the camel as a domestic animal" for instance. I would say, "I'm proposing an article on the changing use of the camel. The camel was one a major beast of burden in the middle east. The camel's endurance and versatility caused them to be imported as far as the United States (as potential mounts for the pony express and beasts of burden for miners) and Australia (where the herds of feral camels now exceeds those in the Middle East, both in number and health. Camel's milk has been lauded as a "wonder food" and camel racing is a high-stakes sport in some parts of the world."
Jan Fields:
Then I would list SOME of my most impressive sources and mention who I'm contacting (the expert). Finally I would tell my projected length and my credentials (my own publishing credits if applicable).
Jan Fields:
Now for book proposals, I again have to make it clear that I have given A LOT of thought to the organization of my book and make it clear that I have sufficient information (and or plot) to fill the projected book. So (in the case of fiction) I give a detailed synopsis of the story ACTION and major scenes. In the case of nonfiction, I give a chapter-by-chapter outline. And I also write the first couple chapters. To sell the science fiction series I wrote about 1/3 of the first book -- but they liked the proposal so much they bought the series EVEN THOUGH their list was full. They added it to a future list they would not normally be building because they didn't want me to sell the series somewhere else.
Jan Fields:
In a book proposal, I study the market very carefully. I look at what they've published in terms of topics, age group, handling of material, length, ties to school subjects, etc. Then I also look at other publishers and what they've done that might be too similar to what I'm proposing. I have to make sure mine both FITS my publisher and doesn't exactly DUPLICATE a competitor's product. Proposals take a while and no one pays you for them. But they're still less work than writing the whole story and sending it from market to market.
Keggy: So, if proposing a fiction book, one always gives a synopsis rather than a chapter outline?
Jan Fields:
You can do a chapter by chapter synopsis...which also works as it shows how the chapter arc will work. I've done both. I've done the full book synopsis that is not broken down by chapters and I've done the chapter by chapter synopsis. Of the two, I find the chapter-by-chapter changes the most when I do the actual writing so I'm starting to drift toward being fonder of the whole book.
ColoradoKate: Generally speaking, publishers of fiction don't want proposals, do they? Unless you've already written for them or unless it's work for hire? Is that how it goes, or am I mistaken?
Jan Fields:
Right, the only fiction folks who want proposals are generally doing work for hire...so might be an educational publisher, might be a packager.
storyteller2b: Work for hire is usually for books series, aren't they? Does that change in how you handle proposals? And how does one get into this type of writing?
Jan Fields:
Work for hire is often how series books are done. Especially long series books. But they're also done for kind of "loose" series with educational publishers when they do a line of say...books about careers and you pitch a book about being an actress because you have some good sources for it. Then you're only pitching for part of an existing series. Work for hire can work in so many different ways.
mmmgood: Jan, are there publishing houses that welcome poetry book manuscripts? I'm beginning to think poetry books are basically self-published, except for celebrities or already-well-published authors.
Jan Fields:
Poetry can be tough but I'm getting poetry collections in my review piles so they are happening. Many times they're done as picture books. The poetry is usually bright, lively and focused on a single theme that kids can relate to. One of the books my daughter nabbed out of my review piles was AFRICAN ACROSTICS which was published by Candlewick, and I think they've done quite a bit of poetry.
Jan Fields:
The reason children's publishers (not adult publishers) WILL take a chance on poetry is because it's used extensively in elementary school so even though there isn't a huge direct to kids market, there is a school/library market. If you want to sell poetry directly to kids, it's going to be FUNNY and/or about animals. But probably funny.
Jan Fields:
Now, if I wanted to sell a poetry collection...I would begin by writing poetry of the sort that sells in collections:
Jan Fields:
Then I would try selling about a dozen of those in children's magazines. Children's magazines are a huge consumer of poetry. They're also drowned in bad poetry submissions so there's slow to respond and you have to hit them at the right time (seasonal poetry tends to be one of the easier selling). But you really need the "body of work" concept in poetry.
Jan Fields:
Then I would start a poetry blog. JUST about kid's poetry. NOT about anything else. And I'd post super short silly rhymes and talk about cool new poetry books coming out and talk about poetry forms covered in schools. And once I started to get any kind of reader base on the blog, I would start having contests based on readers writing rhymes.
Jan Fields:
THEN I would start querying with my book of poetry to those publishers I found when I was writing my reviews of kids books of poetry. Candlewick, for example, doesn't take manuscripts, but they do take queries. And in a query for a poetry book, you can include a short fun poem as example. And include your blog url in your contact list...a blog which shows tons of your poetry. And include the note about having sold a dozen lively children's poems to a variety of children's magazines including blah, and blah.
Jan Fields:
I might also consider really digging in and seeing how poetry is used in schools. Then pitching poetry collections tied to history or science or social studies or art (teachers know they are under teaching those subjects in elementary school these days because they're not on the TESTS...so if you can do something that combines something on the tests - poetry - and another subject they would LIKE to teach...you gotz a winner). Those books could be pitched to both trade publishers and educational publishers.
Jan Fields:
So, I think it might be a multi-step process with a certain amount of luck and a lot of work...but I'm seeing poetry books. They're being printed. It just helps if the poetry you're writing is going to be of interest to the primary buyers of poetry books (libraries and teachers.)
Jan Fields:
One place to find who is doing poetry collections is AMAZON...do a search on children's poetry books...then see who pulbished the ones out in the past year.
mmmgood: Wow, wow, wow! I almost didn't ask this question, because I figured I already knew the response. Well, that'll learn me good fer shur. I like the blog idea. A question that comes immediately to mind, though, is this: Once my poems are on my blog, they are considered published ... right? So any of the poems on my blog could not be used in a book ... right?
Jan Fields:
Technically, they are published, but they still belong to YOU. And any one book might not use more than one poem from your blog...so it's likely the publisher wouldn't care. But really, for the most part...folks know that what they put on the blog is probably not going in a book, not because a publisher would care but because if someone falls in love with your poem, the person might pass it ALL over the Internet through email and other blogs, and that can affect how much an editor wants to see it in a book.
Jan Fields:
One fun thing to do on a blog is to "workshop" a poem. To say make a jar full of types of poems. And another jar full of possible topics. Pick one from each. And write a poem right then as you're doing your blog entry. Though your result may not be perfect...it's a great way to come up with some really fresh fast poetry in a lot of different types and topics.
mikki: How do traditional publishers feel about you as an author if you've published a novel as an ebook, and then come to them with a different novel? Do they consider ebook publishing only a "step up" from self-publishing or POD publishing, and therefore, may not consider you as good an author as they would like to see? If you have been approached by an ebook publisher or editor, and decide to go that way, and then later on, get an agent, is the agent going to be hesitant about selling your manuscript ( not the same one) to a traditional publisher? For that matter, would an agent be hesitant to even take you on if you had sold a book previously as an ebook?
Jan Fields:
The ebook would basically be neither good nor bad...only mildly interesting. A writer I know decided to go with an ebook publisher for a couple books just out of curiosity. She discovered sales we poor even though she had something of a "name" and a following, since they were ebooks for middle grade (and I've already said my piece on younger kids and ebooks). They created no problem for the next print book she sold. The publisher neither saw them as a plus or a minus.
The reason why many writers who being in POD/ebooks/micro-publishing often stay there is two fold:
1. Sometimes they weren't really quite ready to be published by a commercial publisher and by getting a book published before they had the craft to back it up, they then had to switch their focus to promoting the thing -- therefore dragging them away from activity that could help them grow as a WRITER. So the next book was still not ready for prime time and the person went again with the POD/ebook/micro-publisher he/she was familiar with...and so on and so on. And eventually it just becomes easier to stay in the spot they're at since the thought of STARTING to look for a commercial publisher at what feels like the middle of their career just gets overwhelming.
2. Struggling to find your spot in the competitive world of commercial publishing can be just really depressing...and once you take an off-road publishing option, the scary parts of regular submission just get scarier. Plus, you hear all the myths about how commercial publishing is anti-new writer, anti-new voices until you start to believe them. And it's just easier to stay in that tiny pond even if it means your work never reaches a very large audience.
But the book itself doesn't affect how a publisher looks at you. Ultimately though, it can affect how you look at yourself and how you look at publishing.
Pippi: I'm not sure if this question fits this discussion or not... but I'll ask it anyway because I know you'll know the answer. What are magazines such as HIGHLIGHTS, BLUFFTON GROUP, JACK AND JILL, and the SPIDER/CRICKET screaming for these days? You mentioned HIGHLIGHTS practically "begs" for presidential articles. What else do they not get enough of? Some of these magazines have current needs lists but some of them don't. Can I assume if I tailor my submissions towards these needs that I'll have a greater chance of acceptance if the quality is up to par?
Jan Fields:
Well for HIGHLIGHTS and the BLUFFTON GROUP, they get more fiction than nonfiction submissions. The Bluffton group is really wanting activities, I know, and short nonfiction with photos -- they live close to the $$ bone so they really need writers to send their own photos and will buy something a lot quicker if it has photos. How-to pieces that gets kids doing something are probably the easiest to do and make your own photos for. As for HIGHLIGHTS, if you watch their current needs list and something appears every single time, you can be pretty sure they're not getting those things and they want them.
Jan Fields:
Spider wants humor and action. Cricket wants adventure and adventurous historical fiction -- and if you can get any humor into a story, even a light heartedness, that's a plus. All of the bug magazines really like stories that make kids laugh.
Jan Fields:
Publishers was really waking up to the reality that kids want fun short stories. So if your fiction is FOCUSED on teaching kids or changing the reader, it's going to be harder and harder to place it.
Jan Fields:
But yes, if you want to be able to say, "My work has been published in Highlights, Cricket, Boys' Quest, and American Girl." Then I would recommend coming up with a craft for Highlights, a lively funny adventure story for , nonfiction with photo support for Boys' Quest and a craft you can describe in no more than a single paragraph for American Girl. If you really really want to break into a lot of magazines pretty fast...look at what they publish A LOT of...then give them a really good example of it.
Pippi: What is the typical path to becoming an editor? Did many of them start out as authors with the publishing houses they're now with? Also what is a contributing editor - compared to an editor or associate editor?
Jan Fields:
I don't know that there is an exact path to "editor" but I do know folks who have become editors via
Pippi: And what is a "contributing editor?"
Jan Fields:
"Contributing editors" can be either freelance editors hired to do specific pieces or people who used to be staff but at now freelancing. Keep in mind that I've never been an editor anywhere really. So when we get an actual editor in for a workshop, she should give you better details of this.
Pippi: I was wondering if you would mind sharing your story of how you came to be so successful as a writer. What was your first bite and how long did you have to try before getting published? Any tips for us?
Jan Fields:
"Success" is a funny thing. I still don't really think of myself as successful, though I do make a living wage. But my poor daughter is still waiting for me to do something that will get her some second-hand fame. Okay, so keep in mind that I've never done anything the "right" way so my way is a little weird.
Jan Fields:
I graduated college with my bright shiny journalism degree (which doesn't actually seem to impress anyone outside of a few newspapers, by the way) and quickly learned I didn't want to work in newspapers. So I sent an article & photos to a magazine I was very familiar with and sold it. So technically, I sold the first thing I ever submitted...to TEDDY BEAR AND FRIENDS. They paid a smidge over $1000 for everything: article, photo, and accompanying craft. They don't pay that well anymore.
Jan Fields:
Then I wrote a variety of things for magazines for grownie-ups. I probably sold around 70% of what I wrote if you include queries that got a "no" response. And I did that for a few years. But I wanted to write short fiction. And short fiction for adults was a tough market even then...and I wasn't sure I wanted to write the kinds of fiction that I found available. So I wrote for kids magazines.
Jan Fields:
And my percentages of sales fell like a ROCK. And that was my own fault. I thought I was big stuff so I didn't do what I KNEW I needed to do. I didn't read tons of copies of the magazines the way I had when selling to adult magazines. I didn't research. I just thought editors would LIKE my stuff because I was the cheese. It's a wonder they didn't write rude things on my submissions (which is proof editors are SUCH nice people).
Jan Fields:
So, when folks weren't exactly falling at my feet, I chose a few kids markets where I wanted to be published: Crayola Kids, Shining Star, Highlights, Ladybug, and Pockets. I chose those because they were available either through my church library, my public library or (in the case of Crayola Kids) someone I knew had a subscription. And I read a year's worth of issues. Then I wrote something for each of them. I sold a handful of crafts to Highlights. A poem and strange little possum story to Ladybug. A story to Pockets. A craft to Crayola Kids and a series of things to Shinging Star. And from there, I just continued to slowly add markets as I got to know them while writing for the ones I already knew.
Jan Fields:
Plus, a friend contacted me when his family started a toy company to ask me to write some books for them. And an editor called me because he'd seen an article I wrote for a religious magazine and he asked me to rewrite his publisher's children's church curriculum for middle level. So I was also getting work just from stuff I'd written or people I knew.
Jan Fields:
And during all this, I kept writing for kids magazines. I started an online site for Kids Magazines. I started working for ICL...and I got one book writing gig when someone from ICL emailed me because someone contacted her looking for writers. And so on and so on.
Jan Fields:
Much of my writing has come as a result of "connections" but mostly connections made by studying markets and sending work that fits (or fits as well as I can do).
Jan Fields:
Also I was approached by one educational publisher to do a book because they liked something they'd seen of mine in an online parenting magazine. Another contacted me because of seeing my website. Another contacted me because of reading something of mine in Ladybug. So keep writing...keep sending out. And you never know when being nice to one person today might mean an unexpected windfall down the road. Leastways, it's worked for me.
Pippi: This industry is a lot tougher than I thought though. Has it always been like this or would you say it's become more competitive over the years? What's changed?
Jan Fields:
I think publishing has always been tough, really. Yes, there is more competition now for fewer markets and that doesn't make anything easier. And editors are carrying more load than ever before so they are under a lot of pressure in their jobs and that can make it a little harder to feel like you connect with them as people. But I don't actually find it harder to get published now than when I started. I was very successful with grown up magazines because I read them and came to really know the ones I sold to...once I started doing that with kids magazines, I was a lot more successful. Plus, I started writing kid fiction that was VERY adult centric. I was an adult writing about kids. And it wasn't until I realized that my stories weren't actually fun to read that I began writing more successful fiction. So, I don't know that I think it's a lot harder. Maybe a little. But getting to where you fit with the needs there...that's a process and probably always will be.
okami: Where are some good resources to help you up to date with new nonfiction outlets? Is it really so much easier to publish nonfiction, even if fiction is your overall preference? I heard from a friend of mine who like me prefers fiction, but the few times we've done nonfiction, we tend to get easily frustrated. This is outside the nonfiction questions but still writing related, how do you locate experts to talk to when you've no direct connections?
Jan Fields:
I think if you like nonfiction...like reading a lot of it, like exploring new topics, like the kind of "mystery hunter" feel to tracking down research -- nonfiction can be a great publishing option. Normally, when I research a topic, I dig in sooo deeply because I love research ...and during that digging I find names of people who are going to know a lot about the topic. Who are going to LOVE that topic. So I just google the names to track down the folks because people who are passionate about their expertise LOVE to talk about it. I never feel shy about asking because it's been my experience that they're THRILLED to be asked, they love to talk about the topic. But if you DON'T like research, you should not do that kind of nonfiction. It'll make you crazy.
Jan Fields:
Also if there is something you can do and like to do -- like crafts or science activities or yoga or whatever, there are so many options for "how-to" articles and they don't require experts, which can make them really faster.
Jan Fields:
Nonfiction is only easier if you like nonfiction because your passion for the writing has to be there. Honestly, there are some nonfiction topics that are huge sellers -- profiles for example -- that *I* will never do because I don't like researching them and I don't like writing them and rarely read them. So for *me* they're not an easy sale because my labor on wading through something I don't like is going to drag down the piece.
Jan Fields:
I once tried to write a nonfiction research heavy history book and I crashed and burned because I hated the research and I felt like I was wading through mud to write it. And the publisher agreed that it wasn't working. It wasn't my thing.
Jan Fields:
So what is easy for one person might be excruiating for another.mikki: about finding experts, Jan is right about their loving to talk about their subject. I wrote an article about dung beetles ( long story ), and in doing some internet research, found the name of a professor at the University of Missoula, Montana, who had a whole series of articles about beetles, dung included. I took a lot of notes from his articles, and then thought...maybe I could contact him and ask him a couple of questions...so I did. His name and email were listed in the profile with the articles. I figured the worst I could get was either a NO or a no-response. Instead, he not only emailed me, but he phoned me. He answered my questions, and then asked if I would consider allowing him to critique my article before I sent it. I was delighted! I sent it to him, he added a couple of points we had not discussed, and sent it back. it was published a couple of months later. Now this man didn't know me from Adam. But he was so happy that I was writing about HIS passion, AND for children to boot. He told me that neither he nor most in his profession knew how to write for children, and he was delighted that I was taking an important part of our ecology system and writing about it for kids. So...when you are doing research, and come across some person who has written a scientific article or whatever, contact them. Again, the worst that can happen is they don't respond, but if they do, what a bonus for you!
carina: Give us a sample of a typical (writing) day in your live, how many hours do you spend writing, do you do public appearances, do you still submit to non-paying markets? How many hours do you spend on work for the ICL? And those days that you have nothing to write or can't write? (like when you don't feel like going to the office, but you have to?) What advice do you have for writers that want to go from freelance to full- time? Would you recommend it, and would you do it all over again?
Jan Fields:
I try to get on my computer by 8:30 on weekdays. I run through certain "every morning" things -- check email, check out a couple discussion boards, check a couple blogs, check facebook, check twitter...I don't spend long on those things and try to do as much as I can in 30 minutes. Sometimes if I find something interesting like a new market mentioned on a discussion board or an editor/agent interview mentioned...I'll spend longer.
Jan Fields:
Then if I have student files that came in the day before, I do those first. Once they're done, I start on whatever my present deadline is. Now, if I happen not to have REAL deadlines, then I make some because I'm very deadline driven. So I'll work on something for a contest or work on something for a magazine I like. If I'm NOT under deadline and I'm not really feeling inspired to write fiction, I'll look at my list of things my students have struggled with lately and write an "article/essay" on it and drop it in my "enews articles" file. That way, when I'm putting the enews together, I have a file of possible article/essays to put in it for the weekly essay thingie.
Jan Fields:
When I'm under a deadline...like right now I have to finish some proposals for three adult mysteries for an on-going series and I have five books to write on my sci-fi series under contract ... then I work on one of those.
Jan Fields:
BUT...when I'm writing a book, I tend to start slow, slow, slow for me. I'm lucky to do 1,000 words in a day (which for me is dragging). I'm feeling my way around the book, getting into the flow. Then it'll "click" and I might write 4000 words in a day or more when I'm really into the book and feeling it. So if I struggle through 500 words in one day and I feel worn out...I quit And I don't worry about all the words waiting to be written because I'm aware that eventually I'll click and then it'll fly.
Jan Fields:
If you're seriously thinking of making writing a full-time job, certain things need to be true:
Jan Fields:
If you try to force writing to be your full time job when you're not suited to that kind of writing that requires, you may find yourself feeling defeated and having to go back out to look for a job. Some people even give up writing then...which is way too bad. Some writers actually find they wrote more when they were squeezing their writing into little pockets of time than when they had 6-hours of uninterrupted time a day because they're not really driven without that pressure. So it depends seriously on the kind of writer you are and want to be. But even if you're not a driven writer, if you keep writing and if you're work becomes popular...you get to quit your day job anyway. It won't be for a long time though.
sarakay: Whenever you're giving an example for a story situation, you seem to toss off these great ideas that would take me a month to come up with! How does one get better at devising interesting conflicts for their characters?
Jan Fields:
Well, being an institute instructor helps. I spend a lot of time either (1) coming up with examples on the fly or (2) showing ways to take the premise the student has an building a strong plot with it. But for me, I tend to come at plot one of two ways...
Jan Fields:
1. A character I really like. This is sooooooooo important. Please, don't try to create short stories with kids you don't like as main characters. I see so many short story manuscripts with bratty, smart-mouthed, unpleasant, selfish, nasty kids. Readers do like to see a character who is a little more spirited than the reader himself...but nobody likes a brat and that included readers. If you don't like your character and your reader doesn't like your character, you're doomed. Plus, if you create a character you don't like, it's going to be almost impossible to create any kind of lively, bright, fun, positive plot with that character so you're sort of doomed to create preachy pedantic plots.
Jan Fields:
So I create a character I really like and I think about his/her personality -- I list traits. Then I look at the traits that would be likely to result in that kid tumbling into trouble. For instance, a cheery, active, brave boy also might be impulsive and quick to rush in to fix a problem. And that can result in making things worse initially until the child slows down, thinks the problem through, and gets creative. So when I start with the character...I look at his personality traits and come up with the kind of problem THAT kid would logically find himself in.
Jan Fields:
The other way I come up with plot is (2) the "what if." For instance, what if kids at your school just started disappearing? What if they not only disappeared but no one remembered they'd ever existed? What if you didn't either, but then your best friend is upset because the best friend of BOTH of you has disappeared and you don't even remember the guy. What if your best friend is desperate for you to believe in this guy...because you'll only remember HER after SHE disappears if you believe people are disappearing. It's a kind of convoluted speculative fiction premise I used for the middle grade novel manuscript I'm presenting working on.
Jan Fields:
The "what if" can be smaller too, more in line with a short story. What if you discovered your parents were aliens? Or you thought they were...how would you go about proving it. Now you could use that premise to make a very funny short story with two brothers who are sure their parents are aliens because of a misunderstanding and the ridiculous journey to "prove" their parents come from outer space.
Jan Fields:
So once I have the core premise...which comes from either the character I like or the what if I find interesting. Then I need to think of how to build a plot. I start the story as close as possible to the time everything changes. So my alien story would start with the boys accidentally discovering their parents had alien space suits in the attic. Then the boys would search for more "proof" of their parents "alienness." And the story would end with the boy presenting their iron-clad case, only to discover their parents aren't aliens and everyone has a big laugh. Now even though the boys don't ultimately "win" (they don't really prove their parents are aliens) they do end up with a happy ending due to their brave efforts (they discover their parents are not aliens.)
Jan Fields:
When writing the plot plan I keep in mind that I can't have too many elements if I want it to stay magazine length. If it refuses to fit. I have to consider the possibility that it might work better as a chapter book or even a novel.
claudette: How does does become a book reviewer? Is it something they do "on their own time" and for their own benefit for use on the blogs, etc., or is it something that they contract for with a publication? I've seen both done but know nothing about the activity other than that.
Jan Fields:
Well, some bloggers do review books...so that's one way. With publishers making cut backs, it's a little harder to get ARCs unless you show a strong tendency to be visited by their target audience. Second, you can look for places that do reviews by lots of different reviewers School Library Journal, Midwest Book Review, MyShelf.com and check their site to see their guidelines or how to join as a reviewer. Third, you can pitch a "review column" for your local paper. Often that works in the summer when papers are open to reviewing kids books to keep kids reading in the summer. You could also offer to do a "review newsletter" for your local public library where you review the books in the stacks (this can be a way to begin building your experience as a book reviewer) for teachers, parents, and kids looking for a good read or a read that could tie into curriculum. Finally, sometimes you just happen to luck into reviewing if you know an editor and she's looking for a reviewer. That's how I got to be reviewer for DISCOVERY GIRLS.
carina: So, if you do a review on a recently published book, do you have to buy the book with your own money, or does the publisher requesting the review buys the book? It is great to buy new books, but it can be costly. Is it also worth your while buying books for reviews? Children books are cheaper, but what if it comes to adult literature?
Jan Fields:
I've reviewed for myshelf.com and for DISCOVERY GIRLS. In both cases, the publishers send books. In the case of DISCOVERY GIRLS, they send lots and lots of books. Mostly I get ARCs (advanced readers copies) that are the book before it's been fully edited.
carina: ARC's ? New term for me. What if you mention some thing in your review that they might edit out of the book? Or is that unlikely to happen? Do you get to keep those ARC?
Jan Fields:
If you're working from an ARC, you're asked not to quote directly from it as the wording can change. And we just know not to mention typos because ARCs are full of them. They haven't been copyedited. But there are rarely major changes. If the publisher plans a major change, the ARC will include a note when they send it outlining what the planned changes will be. Some publishers (Scholastic particularly, but also Candlewick) send the final copy of the book as soon as the publicist has it and I can look at that to see if they changed anything I might need to know about. Usually though, the only really big change I ever see is the look of the cover.
Jan Fields:
As for keeping them. Yes, generally you do keep them. Though you have to have a lot more house than I do in order to REALLY keep them. So usually after I've read the books and done the reviews I'm going to do, I look for a place that will give them to children. Publishers ask that you not sell them, and to give them to children.
shauna: Speaking strictly for novels, would you use the same technique you already spoke of (crossing out publishing houses you won’t ever write for, visiting/studying websites, setting up your notebook) as a basis for making your list of possible houses to query? There are so many houses that will accept, say, fantasy, that I don’t know who to put at the top of the list. My thoughts are, use your approach you spoke of, combined with one of the following: 1. Start with the names I’m familiar with, then just randomly add to the list. 2. Look at their book catalog and pick houses that have books that are similar to mine. 3. Go to the many books that adorn my bookshelf at home and start with those publishers. Or is it a combination of them all. Yikes!
Jan Fields:
Well, I have the benefit of being a reviewer...so I always supplement my choices with the fact that I have the catalogs of all the major houses. I know what is coming out right now and is detined to come out in the next season. But AMAZON serves a huge "catalogue" roll. They list books before they come out too. So you can look up fantasy novels for the age group you're writing for and see what's out and what's soon forthcoming. You can see the cover and read a blurb. And you can supplement your understanding of a publisher that way. I also track down interviews with the editors of the publishers (googling the editor's name...sometimes by googling the publisher's name...you always need to be willing to read the first ten pages of google listing. The good info on an editor or publisher may not be on the first page of links). But yeah, I'll mark out publishers who don't interest me...some nonfiction only publishers, some publishers who don't have print runs (I don't want to turn into a bookseller who handsells my books so I'm not going with a publisher who doesn't have a SOLID system in place for getting the books into the hands of buyers) -- and publishers who won't work with me because I'm not a person of color or because I'm in the US...stuff like that. Or publishers whose line is outside my interest area or capacity.
okami: What if the pubishers you know without question publish books that yours would fit in either aren't open to unsolicited submissions or only want to deal with agents? How do you find publishers still small enough to be new writers but who are big enough so you don't have the "Selling out of your garage/car" issue?
Jan Fields:
If your heart is set on a publisher who only deals with agents (for whatever reason) then you simply have to find an agent first. On the up side, this is a boom time for agents. We have more agents repping works for young people (other than picture books) than we've ever had before. And so you would just refocus away from publishers and toward agents. The process is much the same with agents as with publishers. A good place to learn more about the newer agents (the ones with more room in their lists) I would recommend reading the "agents" section of Verla Kay's discussion board http://www.verlakay.com/boards/index.php
Jan Fields:
And the agent interviews here -- http://caseylmccormick.blogspot.com/
Jan Fields:
And as much as the idea hurts like crazy...if you shop and shop and cannot find an agent or a publisher, it's time to go back to the drawing board and write your next book. For many writers, their first book published is FAR from their first book written. But sometimes, you manage to create the magical really good book on your first shot. But if you don't...then you have to just accept that you're probably going to have to do what other writers do. Keep writing books until your craft gets good enough to create the book your ideas dream of. For most, if you don't give up...it will happen.
keggy: But if a publishing house states that it won't accept unsolicited manuscripts, won't it still accept queries from authors without agents?
Jan Fields:
There are a couple houses that are truly CLOSED unless you meet the editors at conferences or have an agent. Not many...but a couple.
virtuella: Do you have any advice for those of us who are totally new to writing but would like to pitch a series of fiction books to publishers. My series is meant to accompany an educational book called the Virtue's Project. I'd like to market it as a teaching series for children in school...mostly for teachers but also for parents. I read that you started in magazines but is it possible to debut in non-fiction picture books as well? Is that likely or should I try magazines first to get known and my name out there? Don't most magazines require an agent?
Jan Fields:
That doesn't sound like anything a trade publisher would be into, but that's okay because they don't want you to pitch a series anyway. I would recommend really looking into the educational publishers. Many of them do picture books and most do series books. Find a publisher who seems like a good match for what you're doing. I would go straight to publishers since you have the series you want to sell.
Jan Fields:
Oh, and magazines don't require agents. There just isn't enough money per sale in magazine work for agents to want to be involved most of the time.
keggy: So, how do series of books come about? Suppose an author writes an astoundingly brilliant MG novel. Is it possible that the publisher will ask for a sequel or series, or are series of books supposed to be planned as series right from the start?
Jan Fields:
There are two kinds of multi-book things that we might think of as "series."
Jan Fields:
One happens when an author pitches a book and it sells so well that publisher is open to additional books with the same character. MOST series books done by the publisher whose name on the spine are done this way. Usually you pitch one book, it sells and more books happen because of reader demand.
Jan Fields:
A very few books are so high concept and so much connected with what the publisher believes is "hot" or in which the author has "platform" (meaning some kind of celebrity) will result in the publisher signing the author for a 3 or 4 book series. This is rare and it really has to be high concept...the kinds of books the publisher can imagine becoming movies.
Jan Fields:
Many long-run series books like Goosebumps or such only LOOK like they came from a publisher you recognize. They were really made by a packager. So the books were not pitched to the publisher in the first place (or if they were, the publisher shunted it off to be packaged). These books tend to have a LOW payout per book to the author and they come out bang,bang,bang in rapid succession. Some packagers allow you to pitch a series, though many do not.
Jan Fields:
And finally, educational publishers are now really getting into series fiction. They accept pitches for series books but tend to have stiff requirements you have to meet in the writing in order for the books to sell well to libraries/schools. My science fiction was sold to an educational publisher.
beth: Other than "this is what I do, I enjoy it, so I do it", what motivates you? Since I am still taking a course, there are times that I look at what I am attempting to do, and I wonder why. What is my motivation? What motivates you to keep writing, especially when things get tough?
Jan Fields:
Mostly my total lack of marketable skills in anything else. Really, writing is about it. It's the only thing I'm good enough at to make a living. So when things are really going crappy and I think I'd like to walk away (and that has happened more times than I care to mention) I tend to hit the wall with...walk where? This is what I do. But also, I'm always telling stories in my head. ALways. I would do it even if I didn't write them down. So I might as well make a living at being a little bit...odd.
ColoradoKate: Jan, you've already posted a couple of great "resource" links, like the work-for-hire list. Do you know of a similar on-line list for anthologies seeking subs? Thanks.
Jan Fields:
I haven't written for anthologies but how about these:
Mikki: However, none of these are specifically for children or teens. Can't seem to find any for anyone but adults.
Jan Fields:
Right. Mostly publishers do anthologies for YA only with "recognized" authors who are invited to join. And for kids still younger, sales of anthologies aren't so good. So you just don't see them very often.
ColoradoKate: Jan, you obviously have a workable, adult attitude about deadlines. Did you always, or is that something you had to work on? Do you have any advice for those of us who put things off to the last minute or get anxious or have a hard time getting started?
Jan Fields:
Ha, I probably started taking deadlines seriously in college Journalism school where they mock you publically if you miss a deadline. Honestly, my college instructors made deadlines sound like the most rigid things in the universe. And newspaper deadlines really are so I became very rigid about no missing deadlines.
Jan Fields:
But the problem with magazine work and anything you're doing "on your own" is that it doesn't tend to come with an actual deadline. Sure, you can miss a chance to enter the HIGHLIGHTS contest or to get your query in for a COBBLESTONE theme but no one mocks you publically and editors don't put your name in their "evil doers" rolladex. So I discovered that without actual deadlines...I tended to drift a bit.
Jan Fields:
I'm very prone to "get started" panic. For me, writing isn't hard -- starting is hard. So that is something I have to make my own deadline for and just bully myself. Plus, I enlist other people to bully me too. That helps me during those tough "get started" times. That's why I think Nanowrimo is a nice thing...you get encouragement from others to keep at the work and not walk away. And that's a lot like a daily deadline.
sarakay: I'm not talking about books where nothing is happening, but more about books (specifically, MG) where ordinary people face and overcome ordinary problems, changing during the process. Maybe something along the lines of a Highlights magazine story, only a lot longer. These are the types of books I'm drawn to, and would write well (because that's what I write best in short stories), but I worry that this type of novel wouldn't sell. Yet I can't seem to come up with the big, crazy, adventurous, fantastical plots that it seems like publishers want. What's your take on "quieter" books? Can they sell? And what do they need to look like to sell?
Jan Fields:
Well, the Ramona books were very much those kinds of stories and they're eternal. You don't necessarily have to have "adventures." If you want to be read by BOYS, adventures help, but they aren't required for a book to sell. What does tend to be required these days is a certain sense of whimsy...something to make a reader smile or laugh in spots. But there are a lot of contemporary books that are pretty "normal" -- the Penderwicks did great and the quieter contemporary book I read most recently was TOUCH BLUE by Cynthia Lord. It was very good.
ArborVitae: In your opinion, how important is "online presence" to a publisher? Do blogs and websites attract publishers, or do they not care either way?
Jan Fields:
My opinion? Not particularly important. It's kind of like having one of those "bonus products" taped to the side of your laundry detergent. It's nice to have but you really went shopping for detergent and you're going to get the one you like best even if it doesn't have the "bonus product." Which doesn't mean the "bonus product" isn't nice.
Jan Fields:
Now if you had a blog read extensively by your target audience (say, you write kid crafts so you have a blog of kid crafts and you have a lot of comments from kids and parents and educators, showing you're reaching your book audience with your blog) then an editor is going to sit up and take notice. But blogs are slippery things and few of them actually reach the same audience as the books you're writing. So in terms of "platform" blogs aren't worth much.
Jan Fields:
They CAN be a spot where an editor might see if you seem like a pleasant person who's going to be easy to get along with or whether you seem like someone who complains about everything or throws a temper tantrum at the drop of a hat. In other words, a blog can HURT you if it's the place where you "let it all hang out."
Jan Fields:
Now on the up side, the one positive thing blogs do is show you're already dabbling in Internet networking. Ultimately, when you have a book, it does help to have someplace for readers to find you. A blog. A website. Facebook. Whereever. Kids do write to writers and ask questions and such. I get emails and letters from kids and they're finding me online. But again...for an unpublished writer, it's not a big deal. It's a small "value added" product.
okami: Is it possible to get an agent without feeling like you need to have the business skills of a multibillion dollar company excec? But is still more than happy to be their book's best advocate, and can still writer the next book?
Jan Fields:
In fiction, most agents still don't care much about what you're going to do after the sale. Sure, they'll push for you to do stuff to help sell books...a little...but mostly they want you to write more books because the primary payout to the agent is still at the advance. After the advance, you're just pulling in nickels and dimes. What an agent looks for is a book he can sell, sell quickly, and sell to the contacts he presently has. If he thinks your book is going to sell in the present marketplace and believe he can convince a publisher of that, he signs you. If he doesn't, he doesn't.
Jan Fields:
Of course, you have to add in a lot of little things like...
Jan Fields:
Agents are feeling the financial pinch of lots of agents in the field, and publishers producing fewer books because of the economy. SO it all comes down to how quickly marketable your book is...that's the bottom line.
Jan Fields:
It's never, ever (by the way) because a writer is new. It's actually 100% easier to sell a book by a brand new author than one by a steady mid-list author, because the brand new author with a book that looks truly marketable looks like they might take off and sell a bunch...while a steady mid-list author tends to look like someone who is not going to make a publisher a lot of money fast. And bookstores can be cranky about stocking midlist books and midlist authors which further reduce the "appeal" of a midlist author over a brand new author. So with two good books...agents know the publisher will take the brand new author every time. Though, of course, they'll take the book by the latest big name celebrity over everyone...and it doesn't even have to be good.
okami: still don't quite believe I have the advantage as debut writer when I can't even get past the query stage more than once, but I'll take your word for it.
Jan Fields:
Queries are tricky little rascals. A lot of folks assume that if their book is good, they'll get a bite. But NOT ONLY does the book have to be good, the query has to be good. Now there are a lot of places where you can work on your query in a moderately viciously helpful atmosphere. There's Query Shark (I think) and some discussion boards have query workshop sections (writers.net does their query workshopping in the agent section of the board and absolutewrite does query workshopping too.). We could set up one here is folks wanted. Queries MUST MUST MUST focus on WHAT HAPPENS in the story. They must be clear and direct. They must sound casual (though not overly familiar) and light. They must show the major outer conflict (the big thing the main character has to DO) and the major inner conflict (the big thing the main character has to become). And ideally, they reflect an understanding of the market...what books are out there and how they're blurbed on the books. A query is little like a blub but more informational and clear.
Jan Fields:
They also must not include your person opinion about your book (this is a funny book about...this is a great book about...this is an exciting book about....) Instead, they share the story plot in a way that makes it sound funny, exciting, great. They must not include the slightest hint of how many folks have seen the book or anything like that.
Jan Fields:
They must lead with the BOOK, not any kind of information about the author. Never let "I" appear in any of the first few paragraphs.
Jan Fields:
So, they're tricky but there are tons of successful query letters online (I think I googled "successful query letters" once so I could find a few examples to inspire me while I wrote a query really fast for a kind of "contest" online.) If you get a lot of rejections at the query stage, it's always possible the book is fine and the query isn't. Queries are tough and require a totally different skill set from books.
arborvitae: I believe you have mentioned elsewhere on the boards that you write books under contract. Can you explain that whole process to me please?
Jan Fields:
Although contract work (or work for hire, which is generally what you're dealing with if you get a contract for fiction before you write it) DOES usually mean you're writing to someone else's specifications, the work for hire, I've done has been unusual. With one series, all they said was that it had to involve six girls and they had to go into a different "world" somehow where they were princesses. And I had to have crafts and creativity in there somewhere. So that was pretty loose guidelines and so created characters, a situation to put them in, and the whole nature of the magical world. I had to come up with a plot to link the elements they wanted.
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In the mystery novel, I had to write one that "fit" the rest of the series but I came up with entirely my own plot which is VERY strange when stepping into an existing series. Normally you're working from an outline that someone else wrote.
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And the science fiction series I'm doing for ABDO was totally mine. I studied the series they had for older boys and thought of my own. I knew it was going to have to have a lot of action and a male main character, but the premise was mine and I had to write plot synopses for six books so I could sell a six book series.
Jan Fields:
How contract work comes about is normally that you send either a proposal to an educational publisher/book packager for an idea you have OR you send a packet that includes your resume and a writing sample and if they like your style, they'll offer you a book opportunity. In the second situation, normally you're working to their specifications. In the first, the project will be more "yours" in execution.
Jan Fields:
Now with nonfiction, even work done with commercial publishers is usually "sold" based on detailed proposals so you have a contract before you write much of it. In the situation with working directly with commercial publishers, you usually get royalties instead of a flat fee for payment.
Jan Fields:
I learn about work for hire opportunities from a lot of places. Sometimes folks contact me directly. Sometimes I see opportunities in newsletters like the Children's Writer. Sometimes I see mentions of opportunities on discussion boards. Sometimes I see them on blogs by publishers. So, you can get "news" of who is looking from a lot of places. I wish there was one central spot for info about work for hire for kids...but right now, there isn't.
Jan Fields:
One difference between contract writing and other writing (for me) is that contract writing must be totally mapped out, extensively planned, before I begin the actual writing. This is because you have to have the "plan" approved, where for regular writing, no one sees it until it's done. So you don't normally have to show anyone your prewriting (and NORMALLY all my prewriting is done in my head). So you have to become good at action plans...synopses that hit all the main action while making clear the character's motivation for each action...plans that show how the book is divided into scenes and how the scenes drive the action forward. That kind of micro-planning is very different from how I normally write. I normally start "telling myself a story" in my head and I have a strong idea of where I'm going...but I don't map out every step.
Jan Fields:
Strengths -- you have to be able to write to structure. Many writers just cannot. They're so strongly organic (having a story just grow as they write) that work for hire where you're creating a fairly rigid structure is just not possible for them. You also have to be able to be really inspired by someone else's idea. You can just pound it out without your heart into it. You need to be able to take their idea and get so fired up that it feels like yours. Otherwise, it's going to show in the writing -- which might not kill the project you're on, but will lessen the chance of your being called on again.
carina: Do you currently or have you ever used a pen name for any of your work? And why?
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The little books I did for the toy company used a different name. They paid well but what they wanted in a story made it look like I had no idea how to write for children, so if the toys had become popular, I wouldn't have wanted my name linked to that quality of writing. And I did one project that used the name of the person who had done the rest of the books (shhh...can't say more. Nondisclosure agreement). But that's all. The rest all have my name...either my maiden name or my married name.
carina: What about the sci-fi series you are writing for boys? Would you consider using a male pen name? Do you think boy rather picked up a book written by a male and vice versa? Or is this just were you use your initials and last name?
Jan Fields:
As far as I know, my sci-fi series will be by Jan Fields. Sometimes publishers make a choice to use initials (or nudge you to be okay with that idea) because they think boys won't read a "girl writer." Maybe if my name was Fluffy MacFearson I would consider initials but I doubt it. Unless the publisher asked me to, I'd go with my real name. I did do my newspaper work with a byline of my initials + maiden name (as I was single then) because I wanted to be a little harder to track down when folks were mad at me...which was often, actually.
cat: I understand everything about conflict, plot, character development, theme, settings, and the importance of the climax. But sometimes I feel like the whole focus of stories are on some earth-shaking POINT, and not so much on just the mere pleasure of reading a book. I know that if you have a weak plot, a boring MC, and little or no action, you have a lousy book. But what makes a book saleable? If you have a driving plot, a spunky MC, and chapters of tension-building, is there always a MESSAGE that needs to be told to the reader? Can the reader just enjoy the romping nonsense of a good, pointless book?
Jan Fields:
Some humor doesn't have a huge "point" and sometimes exactly even have a plot. Wimpy Kid is a fairly different "kind" of book. It's more of an extended series of visual and spoken jokes than any kind of "story." Boys love them because you really can pick them up and open about anywhere in the book and read for a while. You don't have the weight of an extended narrative. They're light, they're easy, and they're "boy" humor. Plus, they're heavily illustrated with that "doodle" style. You can see the same visual style in books for "girls" but they virtually always also have a sustained narrative like Ellie McDoodle.
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Now, does a story need a point? No, actually I see a lot of high concept novels (especially humor) that don't have a point. It'll have a plot (or something plot-ish) and a premise (usually something big that you could imagine being a kid movie) and quirky characters who ARE in a situation where they NEED to act because of the plot pressure. But there isn't any kind of underlying message or "big picture" point. They're just a big fun romp.
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Adventure books nearly always have some kind of concept they're exploring. Artemis Fowl does a lot of exploring of themes about loyalty, good/evil, friend/family. Artemis (on the surface) has all the makings of an evil villian...but he's not. And so the book is exploring that who question. How come Artemis isn't a villian? How does he differ from a "true" villian. So the good/bad thing is very explored in those novels. It may not be a big flag-waving "point" but they're very "pointy."
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Many times the point is kind of subtle. Adventure novels, for instance, are often showing characters who are more resouceful than they thought they were. Horror novels often explore the nature of courage (Chris Graberstein's Haunted Places series does a lot of that.) But the "point" is not in your face...the story is really all you see when you're reading. But later...ideas are planted that might come back and make you think.
beth: In her book Writer's First Aid Kristie Holl talks about not needing an agent to sell your book to a publisher. She offers suggestion for how to handle that end of things yourself. So I need to ask:
1) What are the advantages and disadvantages of having an agent?
2) If an agent isn't necessary, is it possible to get in with a big publishing house (since many won't even look at a manuscript without an agent)
3) If a writer wants to begin looking for an agent, where in the world do you start?
Jan Fields:
1. Okay, I had an agent for a while. FOR ME, the advantage of having an agent is that I no longer had to come up with market lists and really peg away at sending the book out. I lose focus and so a lot of time could gather between my sending the book to different markets. I liked not having to handle that.
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PLUS, having an agent will get you TOTALLY DIFFERENT rejection letters. They'll be detailed and often not overly kind. But they'll be informative. You'll learn so much about the editor from his/her rejection letter to your agent. You have to be made of pretty stern stuff, but I did find that one aspect to be so informative.
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Agents will also often get you more money. Now, for a first book, there are limits to what an agent can do, but an agent has the same "big hit' instincts that a publisher does. If an agent knows he's holding a high concept property that could blast off, he's going to get quite a bit more money than you would selling it yourself. And if it's more of a "normal" book, he'll still be likely to get a bit more money and better terms overall.
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For disadvantages, it's a bit dependent on your agent. Some folks get frustrated at lack of communication once you're a client, while other people feel their agents are great communicators. Some agents won't rep your LATER books if the agents doesn't like the book -- which can then leave you with an agentless book. Some agents don't like you subbing books on your own...so if you have an agent like that and the person doesn't like your book, it can basically "kill" a book you actually like.
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2. If you're working without an agent, the key really is to become a query letter writing expert. The query is your place to get into publishing houses that are reluctant to open to unagented writers. If a really exciting query cannot be created for your book, then your book MIGHT not be ready to sell. But query letters are a different kind of critter. They're like a combination book blurb and action synopsis. They tell character motivation, main external action, main internal action -- and they do it in a tight, clear exciting package.
Jan Fields:
But there are very few publishers who don't look at queries. And for the ones that don't, my suggestion would be (if you're totally sure that's where you want to be published) that you either get an agent or track downthe next conference where an editor from that house will be (since you can usually attend that editor's workshop and thus get a short-term free pass to submit to her.)
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3. If I were trying to score an agent right now, I would do a three point search...go to your public library and photo copy the agent pages from the most recent Children's Writers and Illustrator's Market (or buy one...it's a pretty good book). Then google every one of the agents listed. And don't stop at the first page of links...often the good stuff comes on something OTHER THAN the first page. Read the interviews with the agents that you find online. Read discussion board posts about them where you find them. Often you'll get the very freshest info about the agents AND you'll find places that have information about even more agents.
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And don't worry about an agent until your book is absolutely polished and you have a killer query letter.
cat: What do you use to research publishers, Jan? That is the hardest part for me. I can look publishers up online and read their guidelines and review which books they've published and which books are forthcoming for publication, and even read summaries on the books, but how do I know if they are the right target for my stories? Most book publishers do not accept submission without agents; frustrating, but there 'tis. However, some do. How do I KNOW how to target the perfect publishing house?
Jan Fields:
You know, when I look through market guides, I am always surprised to see that MOST publishers DO accept some kind of submission from unagented writers. They may not allow submissions but it's pretty rare when they don't accept queries. And some of the "absolutely closed, I mean you" publishers have bought books based on queries sent EVEN THOUGH the publisher was 'closed." See queries are sooooo short...so easy...so painless. And especially in a closed house where there's no slush pile. One little query...sure, we can read it. But (of course) it would have to be an exceptional query.
Jan Fields:
More and more, writers really need to learn to write query letters. Often we just blow past those letters. I have students who just ignore me when I ask them to write queries as practice. And then they're out of the course and they missed the chance to practice one of THE most important skills they'll need when they're ready to sell a book.
Jan Fields:
So, how do I research publishers. Being a reviewer does help because I get to read books from a lot of publishers as they are released. And I can see a pattern of books and see what kinds they like. But you can actually use AMAZON for much of that kind of research. Now, I haven't done this in a while but you can used AMAZON's advanced search options to search for books by publisher. Then you can look through the books you see from the search and take notes on things like -- how many have male main characters? How many sound like high action? How many clearly have humor as a big selling point? How many are fantasy?
Jan Fields:
And once you've begun really methodically going publisher by publisher that way, you begin to see how say...one publisher who does fantasy buys much more literary while another buys high concept fantasy while another has been doing a lot of fantasy/romance. All three might do "fantasy" but you can get a clearer picture of what kind.
Jan Fields:
Also, google the publisher name and go beyond the publishers website. You can come up with blog references...editor interviews...all kinds of things. It's time consuming through which is why I so recommend market study be slotted into every week. If you only START research when your book is done, the pressure to get the thing in the mail is going to probably get you more rejections overall. But, hey, even so...you only need one acceptance. It's just a matter of how many rejections you can handle before you lose heart.
Jojo: My question is about textbook companies...do they accept submissions or do they just use known authors who have written short stories?
Jan Fields:
That's WAY outside my field. I know textbook publishers tend to like to hire PhDs to do their writing because it looks so impressive on the book. Now things like workbooks and supplemental material is often done just by educational publishers and they do hire writers for that. If you check out the educational publishers at this link http://www.mollyblaisdell.com/wfh -- you'll see some that are doing supplemental material and links to their guidelines. But for full textbooks...mostly that's outside most of our options.
mikki: Not only all of the above, but it is a much more arduous kind of writing. As a Statistics Lab Assistant in my senior year in college, on of my jobs was to do some of the statistical analysis for the book my professor was writing. I was paid, but it was a very hard and time-consuming job. It took me the entire year to do the statistics for 3 chapters in his 10 chapter book, and this was writing every night, as well as taking my own classes etc. Also, this was just the statistics, none of the text. When I became a PH.D. he asked me to co-author another book on statistics with him, and I declined.
cat: So Jan, I'm sure you, of all people, know how to compose a Killer Query. What are the elements that you would recommend that would get that query through a publishing house's door, onto the editor's desk, and be so amazin' that it would steal his heart?
Jan Fields:
A query that will grab an agent is a combination of voice, clarity, and focus.
Jan Fields:
Voice means YOUR query needs to not sound like everyone else's query. It might reflect the voice of your main characrer (which doesn't mean it's written in first person because it's not...it just means it hints at your story writing style). I might just be a solid match to the age group and not really be the voice of the main character (for example, in a period story, you main character may speak in a slightly antiquated way and your query won't do that...it'll be more YOUR voice...the clear smooth voice you'd use to describe your story to a friend. A non panicky voice)/
Jan Fields:
Clarity means that the query makes it very clear that your story have a plot and that you're going to move through the plot in an active interesting way. It shows that your character is strongly motivated to get through the plot. It probably shows the inner struggle of the main character.
Jan Fields:
Here's a query I threw together for Nathan Bransford's Agent for a Day exercise...from among the queries, it won. Though the plot here is scant. In YOUR query you'd have to show the plot much more clearly. Mine is scant because the book it connected to was never actually finished...so I had trouble describing a book that didn't exactly exist:Dear [Agent's name],
When faced with the grim prospect of another year of being the nicest, quietest girl in high school, Rebecca Rogers decides it's time to get wild. Sure, she's afraid of the dark, heights, big bugs, and cute guys, but she decides the key to coolness lies in overcoming her fears one at a time. She starts with heights. Unfortunately, the tree she chooses to climb turns out to be the tallest object on the highest hill in an unexpected thunder storm. Rebecca jumps to escape a lightning strike and falls into a fantastic new world.
Though she's pretty sure she must be lying in a hospital somewhere and experiencing the world's wildest coma-induced nightmare, she's soon facing monsters, handsome princes, and evil villains with diabolical plans to take over this very scary world. Coma or not, the dangers are too real to ignore. Can she save the hottie, defeat the baddie, and run like hell from everything else? Some people are born with courage - Rebecca is having it thrust upon her.
"Unreality Chick" is a fast and funny 65,000 word young adult fantasy novel. I am the author of [a variety of work-for-hire things that I would actually list in a real query] and this is my first original novel.
Thank you for your time, and I look forward to hearing from you soon.
Warmly,
Me
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yaya: Too bad the query letter was for something that you had not actually written because you make a person want to read what you have described.
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mariah: I have two different WIP right now...one is MG and the other is YA. I want to find an agent when I'm finished. So, should I try to find an agent that fits both? Or should I worry about the one that's done at the time and go from there?
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mariah: Do you ever come to a point in a project you're working on that you feel it's just not working? Or that you can't do it? If so, what do you do about it to keep moving forward with it?
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Mikki: It blows my mind that there are some instructors who encourage almost to the point of forcing a student to do NF when they so plainly don't want to. Non-fiction is definitely a genre that excites only a few people... to be made to do it is clearly nothing more than an exercize in futility for the student.
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ColoradoKate: when I taught, I did all sorts of activities with my students: things I found on the internet, often, but that I modified either a little or a lot. I could write up lots of those activities as "how-tos," but at what point does it start being plagiarism? Obviously I wouldn't use the same words; I'd start from scratch; but I would have, say, a very similar sequence of steps. Are "how-tos" like recipes, in terms of plagiarism? Meaning, do you just have to write the directions in your own words? Or what?
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Yaya: Also, I read once that jokes and riddles cannot be copyrighted. Do you know anything about that? Since I can't recall where I read that, I don't know how reliable the sourse was. Thanks.
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Jojo: My question for today is...how do you know if your writing is good enough to send in? Or if it is what they are looking for? I have magazines to look at as guides, but how do I get feedback on what I am doing? I have my instructor for my ICL class, but that's only for the assignments for the class...
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JoJo: First, how do you find a critique partner? and, I'm not sure if I have enough experience to critique someone else...then what?
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JoJo: I am definitely going to look into a critique group!
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Morag: Do you feel that a writer needs any specific type of credential to be taken more seriously by publishers, editors and agents or does the work stand alone?
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Masters Degrees in creative writing or children's writing
Masters Degrees in library science
Teachers
Writers under 19 years old
Writers with "platform" -- folks some readers would recognize the name of
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ColoradoKate: Hey, Jan! Please tell us how people become ICL instructors. What are the qualifications? Are people asked or do they apply? What kind of training do they give you? How many hours a week do instructors work, or does it vary?
Jan Fields:
...a fairly strong body of work. They want to be both books and magazines work if possible (my only books were for a toy company but they were books. My magazine experience was a bit more extensive).
...experience teaching...preferably teaching about writing. I had taught a continuing education program on writing for publication and one on writing short nonfiction.
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cat: Jan, wonderful overflowing font of wisdom, do you think you could list for me here the five steps, or pointers, that a query should follow, a format it should cleave to, and the necessary ifs, ands, and buts that it should contain. My goal is to craft the Killer Query, see.
Jan Fields:
This is how I know you...
This is how cool my book is...
These are the stats on the book...
This is about me...
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These are the stats on the book...
This is how cool my book is...
This is how I know you...
This is about me...
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When Kate's world fell apart, she had to cope with losing what was important to her while stuggling with the aftermath of that loss.
Now, do you have ANY idea what that book is about? You might guess...it could be about a whole bunch of things...
Her folks could have just died in the bombing of the World Trade Center.
Her boyfriend could have left her for some skanky girl
Her town could have been taken over by zombies and now the rest of her family wants to eat her.
Really it could be about just about anything. Don't write lines like that. If your line could fit a book that is NOTHING like yours, then the line is too vague. Make sure it actually lets the agent know what's happening with YOUR book.
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"I loved [book the editor edited or the agent sold] and [other book the editor edited or the agent sold]. Since I admired your taste in books and work on those projects, I knew I wanted to query you when I finished my manuscript."
"I enjoyed hearing you speak at the "Agent Love" workshop at the Spring 2009 NESCBWI conference. I found your honesty and diplomacy a rare mix and immediately put you at the top of my dream agent/editor list as soon as my book was finished and polished."
"I am an avid reader of your blog and have learned so much from you. I especially found your views on [something specific] helpful as I worked through revisions and more revisions of this book."
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Yaya: What I'd like to know is how you found out about writing for ABDO and markets of that type?
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LindaK: When writing a fictional magazine story verses picture book what are the important differences? For example the use of 'senses' and 'showing, not telling' are important to a piece for a magazine but picture books have illo's and this changes things. I just never know how much 'sense' and 'show' to add or delete. I'm asking this because some time back I read an article by an editor who stated that novice writers use far too much 'show' when writing picture books.
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If the box sat on the soft blue carpet in the family room. <-- That's showing that is too visual.
See the difference?
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Chorus: Thanks for all these answers.
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